[Rant] XP is so fucking shit!

[terra]

How the fuck do you guys live with it? youd think a 4GHz C2D, 4GB PC8500, GTX280 and a ok seagate 7200.11 would be fine, but this shit is SO DAMN SLUGGISH, UNRESPONSIVE and LAGGED. We all know 7 is great but this fails badly in comparison to even Vista!

Now, I dont mean framerate in games etc which weve known for a long time now that Vista/7 is faster but i mean normal stuff, opening the start menu, clocking on my computer, clicking a menu and subsequent menu option, why teh fuck does it take so long?! And if youre wondering, all vistual settings are disabled for speed already.

How did MS fail so badly from 2k? 2k was super responsive and fast, so was 2k3! sheesh.

The UI is pathetic, no wonder i never bothered (2k > 2k3 > Vista).

[DJ_HiP]

wtf are you on about?

What is crap, XP, 7, Vista?

You're 'rant' is incoherent

You say XP in the title, then 2k/2k3 in the post, plus 7/Vista.

So, XP is slower than Windows 7, Vista, 2000 and 2003?

[Dr Aeth]

why ... does it take so long?!

You've done something wrong. Given it enough NB volts?

[Adamantinus]

A++, would lol at you again.

[terra]

hey, i didnt crash last lan

unlike wookie

[consoleking]

Yeah , a typical comment from this kid - seems to feel that swearing is the only way to get a point across.

XP is the best O/S that Microsoft put together after Win2000 - Vista was rubbish and Windows 7 is even worse as far as speed , reliability and security goes.

As for stable , fast O/S there is only one option - that is Linux of course and there really can be no argument on this.

If all you want to do is play games , then XP is the best option , or for latest releases then Win7 is preferred , but for security , reliability and speed , nothing surpasses Linux.


Why is Windows such a great Operating System if :

1> After installing you need to buy so much more software just do anything like Office work , graphics , video editing , video and audio encoding etc

2> After installing you still need to buy security software and then HOPE that you can stay up to date enough to prevent most attacks.

3> Ever heard of the Blue Screen of Death?

By all means , use Windows within its limitations , just don't expect it to be the best around just because it is so expensive.

[terra]

Yeah , a typical comment from this kid - seems to feel that swearing is the only way to get a point across.

XP is the best O/S that Microsoft put together after Win2000 - Vista was rubbish and Windows 7 is even worse as far as speed , reliability and security goes.

As for stable , fast O/S there is only one option - that is Linux of course and there really can be no argument on this.

If all you want to do is play games , then XP is the best option , or for latest releases then Win7 is preferred , but for security , reliability and speed , nothing surpasses Linux.


Why is Windows such a great Operating System if :

1> After installing you need to buy so much more software just do anything like Office work , graphics , video editing , video and audio encoding etc

2> After installing you still need to buy security software and then HOPE that you can stay up to date enough to prevent most attacks.

3> Ever heard of the Blue Screen of Death?

By all means , use Windows within its limitations , just don't expect it to be the best around just because it is so expensive.

XP SP3 is much more vunerable than Vista SP2 or 7

It has been proven that both Vista and 7 are faster for gaming (lets not forget that many newer games are not compatible with XP due to DX10), and the newer interface makes general computer work faster and more efficient. I am with you in the fact that Vista does take longer than XP and 7 to initally srtart up though.

OpenOffice is just aws bad in Windows as it is in Linux. 7 comes with the new ribbon styled Word Pad which is mroe WP than most people really use.
Security Essentials is better than most free and cheap pay services (AVG, Avast, Panda etc).
Ever heard of a Kernel Panic? BSOD's are a thing of the past. None of my computers BSOD, and I run Windows back to 98SE. on a regular basis.

[phx]

Why is Windows such a great Operating System if :

1> After installing you need to buy so much more software just do anything like Office work , graphics , video editing , video and audio encoding etc

Somebody needs to learn what an Operating System is.

2> After installing you still need to buy security software and then HOPE that you can stay up to date enough to prevent most attacks.

Well, you don't need. In fact I generally go as far as to say that antivirus is utterly useless unless you are dumb enough to be disabling UAC and running crap as admin from random places. Not that viruses and vulnerabilities are particularily OS specific...

[quote]3> Ever heard of the Blue Screen of Death?[\quote]

Not since MS put in that display driver isolation to prevent nvidias shitty drivers from causing the usual page-fault-in-non-paged-area. Now I just get the Black Screen Of Fuck I Am Going To Die Because My Graphics Wont Recover For Ten Seconds.

Oh and then theres anything ever made by realtek... at least you can have sound from multiple applications working at once - even it is crashing your box every ten minutes and using 90% of your CPU.

[Kyorisu]

1> After installing you need to buy so much more software just do anything like Office work , graphics , video editing , video and audio encoding etc

When Apple becomes a Monopoly tell me the situation will be the same then. You can't possibly mean linux because video editing on linux is a hilarious concept. Ms could include a lot more software with it's operating system but they choose not to or don't because of their market position.

People bitched about Vista being bloated so they made some software optional. Now people bitching 7 doesn't have enough software installed by default? Christ.

As for stable , fast O/S there is only one option - that is Linux of course and there really can be no argument on this.

As a supporter of linux I think from a consumer standpoint you've chosen the wrong argument. It doesn't take much to completely kill any old linux system.

[DarkNation]

The amount of stupidity in here is jaw-droppingly amazing.

Where the fuck are you people even pulling half of these facts?

[Dislexsick]

I think it they are trying to out-troll each other.

I really can't tell.

As for me I am an operating system whore - I love Windows 7, my iPhone and thus iPhone OS, and my laptop which up until recently was running Ubuntu Netbook Remix.

Win 7 is fast, good looking, and all round good effort from MS, I have 2 fully legal copies in which I have paid $50 all up for (One MSDNAA, and one itsnotcheating copy)
iPhone gets the same comment, but it's price is still a bit of a bitch - mind you a lot of the innovation of iPhones came from third party apps doing cool stuff with the hardware.
Linux was blazingly fast on my netbook, and came with every piece of software I needed out of the box (Seriously, I was sitting there, and thought to myself, "shit, I really need to get in contact with ...." then I realized i had an IM client already. and a mail client. and a web browser. and weather. and office. and etc) Too bad one simple command can blow the whole OS away (sudo rm -rf /)

[Pinger$]

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

[mrwizard]

Somebody needs to learn what an Operating System is.

Product or platform may have a better way to describe it but the point was clear, what use is an OS without applications.
"Woo hoo. Watch it go managing those resources. If only I had something for it to do"
It comes with IE which at least is useful for downloading a better web browser.

Well, you don't need. In fact I generally go as far as to say that antivirus is utterly useless unless you are dumb enough to be disabling UAC and running crap as admin from random places. Not that viruses and vulnerabilities are particularily OS specific...

No Mr CIO, you don't need antivirus on your server/network. UAC is turned on and I have told people not to run crap as admin so you should be right.

Viruses and vulnerabilities may not be limited to one OS only but they do tend to congregate...

Ever heard of a Kernel Panic?

I have seen plenty of these, but never outside of hardware failure. Linux is good but no one has implemented a way for it to fix busted hardware yet unfortunately.

You can't possibly mean linux because video editing on linux is a hilarious concept

Hey, I edit videos on Linux you insensitive person. Seriously though, it can be done, I hear some of the Linux paid products are good and in use by movie studios. They definately use Linux for their render farms. Apparently it is faster on the same hardware and I imagine they could do it at much lower cost.

[The_Wookie]

opinions are fine. insults arent. tone it down.

For the record, I have no problem with XP or Win 7. As for included software, microsoft got into trouble for having a browser and media player (both of which are distributed free regardless, and are offered for free by competitors), if they bundled office with it, they'd have everyone who isnt already sueing them on the case.

XP has to have had the most user friendly experience of any OS ive used, and win 7 can be used by anyone.

[mrwizard]

As for included software, microsoft got into trouble for having a browser and media player (both of which are distributed free regardless, and are offered for free by competitors), if they bundled office with it, they'd have everyone who isnt already sueing them on the case.

Maybe they should bundle someone else's browser and media player, depending on how they do it they should be able to make everyone happy.

[terra]

As for included software, microsoft got into trouble for having a browser and media player (both of which are distributed free regardless, and are offered for free by competitors), if they bundled office with it, they'd have everyone who isnt already sueing them on the case.

Maybe they should bundle someone else's browser and media player, depending on how they do it they should be able to make everyone happy.

not up to date much are we

[The_Wookie]

dont get me started on free loading "competitors" who couldnt be fucked developing a proper business model, but figured they'd be able to leech off the work of microsoft.

[Dislexsick]

Back on topic with the OPs point, TAFE still gets to use Win XP, and I must say, it feels ghetto going back to XP after using windows 7. Aero Snap, the taskbar, the looks, the speed. You start to miss it

[mrwizard]

dont get me started on free loading "competitors" who couldnt be fucked developing a proper business model, but figured they'd be able to leech off the work of microsoft.

They have a business model but it is being negatively impacted by a competitor who is abusing their monopoly position in one market to force competitors out of another market which is illegal in some places.

For an example of free loading "competitors" who leech of the work of others look to those who make vague patent claims to threaten customers into paying licensing fees to a company who did not make the software (http://www.daniweb.com/news/story262519.html) or threaten companies making the software into paying royalties per download of free software. (http://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/good-artists-copy-great-artists-steal/)

I could understand to some extent if someone has blatantly copied some else's software they might try to get some compensation from the distributor, but charging Amazon licensing fees because they use Linux servers. I guess if you don't have a valid case against the software maker (Red Hat in this case), the customer might make for an easier mark and be more easily threatened.

But yes, back on topic.

Back on topic with the OPs point, TAFE still gets to use Win XP, and I must say, it feels ghetto going back to XP after using windows 7. Aero Snap, the taskbar, the looks, the speed. You start to miss it

Is this your PC running XP or TAFE's. I occaisionally have to do some testing etc using Windows 7 and XP so I like to keep a virtual machine of each handy. VirtualBox is cross platform, free and perfect for this sort of thing as you can suspend and resume in a couple of seconds and snapshot and roll back easily.

[Dislexsick]

I use Win 7 Pro at home. I go to TAFE and die a little inside each time I try to use Aero Snap on windows XP then realize it isn't there.

I also have VirtualBox and part of our course is administrating Windows Vista systems (Win 7 stuff wasn't out when the course started) and that is all virtualized via VMware (XP host, Vista Guest)

[Gierke]

I use Win 7 Pro at home. I go to TAFE and die a little inside each time I try to use Aero Snap on windows XP then realize it isn't there.

I do the same every time im at TAFE and at work. XP should die already.

[mrwizard]

I do the same every time im at TAFE and at work. XP should die already.

I feel for you. One of the last places I worked let me move my desktop away from the standard XP desktop to something that I found more useful. They were running and Oracle database on 32bit Windows for all of their production databases and would have a major unplanned outage every 6 weeks or so. After these outages they would examine anything that might bring instability to the system and my non standard desktop was flagged as an unknown factor even though I was running the oracle client either in an XP VM or when remote desktoped to a Windows server. I was asked to go back to XP. My productivity took a hit and for the next couple of months till I found a better job (as a Linux engineer) I felt like I had been stuck in a cage and had my wings clipped.

[Envy]

2K was GOOD
Used for 2 years...

XP was GREAT
Used for 10 years...

Vista was a DOG
Used for 1 day...

Win7 is AMAZING!!! (:
Using now!

[mrwizard]

Win7 is AMAZING!!! (:
Using now!

For certain values of AMAZING!!!. Still no decent package management, no software installation repository, no multiple virtual desktops, still prone to viruses, still gives very little useful feedback when an issue is encountered, still doesn't do simple checks like "is the file system size bigger than the physical disk", just tries to write off the end of the disk then tells you your disk isn't initialized do you want to wipe it (to save the data I had to use a fedora live disk to fix the partition table, mount and get the data off).

It is prettier I guess, the UI now has a higher priority than background tasks so if you have enough resources it kinda feels more responsive. You have to click through more menu's and control panels to do the same old tasks as in XP. Still comes with very little useful software out of the box. Apparently it can now burn ISO's out of the box now which at least means it is immediately useful for downloading and burning install disks for it's replacement which I'm sure will save some people some time.

The time it takes to go from fresh install to useful box is way too long. That is time I could be spending doing something more important.

I think I'll pass.

The latest version of Fedora on the other hand (and I'm sure Ubuntu is the same) runs awesomely on PC's which don't meet the minimum requirements for Win 7, and does it with graphical effects turned on. They actually get cool new features in new versions without significant bloat and have decent software installed or in the repos ready to go.

[spark64]

I've been using XP since Service Pack 1 came out and boy was I glad when SP2 came out in '04.

I hear ranting about people getting the dreaded BSOD on windows. Funny thing is that since I stopped using Win95 I have only seen it 3 or 4 times on my systems. Other peoples' systems on the other hand seem to get it either every now and then or on a regular basis. In fact - if I remember correctly - it only happened on my systems when I was loading new drivers or software.

Also there is a fix to allow DX10 on XP. So that argument is moot.

That said I will be going to Win7 as soon as I can get some more memory than the 2Gb i'm currently running on my i7 860.

[Dr Aeth]

The time it takes to go from fresh install to useful box is way too long.

Then yer doing it wrong.

Also there is a fix to allow DX10 on XP.

Got a source for this?

[terra]

"is the file system size bigger than the physical disk", just tries to write off the end of the disk then tells you your disk isn't initialized do you want to wipe it (to save the data I had to use a fedora live disk to fix the partition table, mount and get the data off).

It is prettier I guess, the UI now has a higher priority than background tasks so if you have enough resources it kinda feels more responsive. You have to click through more menu's and control panels to do the same old tasks as in XP.

The time it takes to go from fresh install to useful box is way too long. That is time I could be spending doing something more important.

maybe you should format your disks with windows not some 'other' os or tool/etc that lets you write a file system larger than the disk.

you click? use your keyboard, its faster to type what you want than it is to click 3-4 times. all the old cp's are there, such as network connecitions, you jsut gotta enable it if you really go to that that often.

it takes less than 10 minutes to do a clean/full isntall of windows 7 from hitting the power button to when im in msie downloading firefox

[mrwizard]

maybe you should format your disks with windows not some 'other' os or tool/etc that lets you write a file system larger than the disk.

Windows created it and broke it. The other OS merely saved the day.

you click? use your keyboard, its faster to type what you want than it is to click 3-4 times. all the old cp's are there, such as network connecitions, you jsut gotta enable it if you really go to that that often.

Typing is always faster when you know what to type. Command line doco for windows typically sucks. The cp's are there if you know its name. If you don't you have to click through more layers or remember the god mode string.

it takes less than 10 minutes to do a clean/full isntall of windows 7 from hitting the power button to when im in msie downloading firefox

I'm sure it does and if you have the enterprise tools and an image prepared it is probably quicker but consumer PCs aren't packaged like that. The inlaws PC had to be recovered from the recovery partition, 3 hours of waiting later we had a system with crappy tools installed, missing drivers and no useful applications. Then they had to pull out a stack of CDs/DVDs and go through re installing office, any drivers they might need that aren't installed by default, any other applications they don't have.

You may be able to install it in 10 minutes but how long until you can actually do something useful with it?

[terra]

if youhave a gigabyt emobo and update or change your bios settings, there is a setting that will invisibly shrink your available disk space without changing the partition/format/etc, it steals the last 1-4MB of your disk for saving a bios image, when you come to write to the last bit of your disk, it doesn tmatter what os you are using, you will fail.

urm no, windows will take 'natural' serch, actually hav eyou heard of 'god mode'? its the list that the start menu serches. you do not need to remember what a cp is called, just want to change or wnat to do.

no image no nothing. clain install of windows 7 from a thumbdrive. includes the tim eit takes to enter username pc name and password. uwseful what do you consider useful? windows has built in word processing, basic picture editing, web browsing etc.

[mrwizard]

Wow, it clearly doesn't come with a spelling checker. Reading that gave me a headache.

I was agreeing about the 10 minute install time and commenting that it would be faster again with the right tools. These tools or install image on a thumbdrive or in most cases a basic install disk are not accessible. I could get a volume license install disk which would probably be only a little longer than your thumbdrive but it would not be legal, we have to work with what we are given or be in breach of license and that wastes my time.

It may come with basic this or cut down that but when you want to do something you have to get out the install disks or go off to the many websites and download bits and pieces. I guess I'm just a bit spoilt having non crippled versions at my fingertips by default. Everything is full version and free with the exception of commercial games and related apps. Apparently it is still unwise to allow it onto the LAN without antivirus installed.

Next time someone asks me to fix their broken Windows PC I will have to try out this search feature you speak of.

Oh, and that disk was in a virtual machine on ESX so although hardware would make for a convenient excuse it was not the case here. The inlaws was a damaged system partition following an unexpected shutdown. He wasn't modifying partition tables or even saving anything when it went down so I just put it down to seppuku.